My above points still stand.

As for feedback on the content itself:

- It might be my very cheap headphones that are not doing well with the audio but the high pitch noises are almost unbearable.

- The glitches in the video are a bit too much "in the foreground". I think they should be less intense and "more in the background".

You have produced quite a bit of content and I would want to see this properly disseminated first to prove to the treasury that people out there are indeed interested in it. I would also imagine that you would get invaluable feedback this way to help for future production.

The treasury needs this proof of value/ROI imo before being able to approve such a large spend. As of right now the impact and value of the effort are a gamble for the treasury.

This is what a milestone is all about. It's a chance for a proposer to prove the value of their project to the network in order to unlock more funds to build out their vision further.

I agree with the glitches in the video too, maybe the intention is to make it look like they're coming from a robot, but I'm sure the viewers could do with them being removed in future videos   ;-) 

This is what you're singlehandedly taking down with your high KSM, high conviction votes from multiple anonymous accounts. Same with @John1Mac ofPheeb. Yet when there are DMs sent to try and understand why their vote is a Nay, they hide in silence behind their keyboard. 

https://www.spatial.io/s/The-Polkadot-X-Kusama-Network-Experience-64078cba8bbae7e6ebfe8e27?share=5972600221899898031

https://www.spatial.io/s/An-Overview-of-Polkadot-Exhibit-1-640a340de274fe78328bce58?share=5615229181480658280

https://www.spatial.io/s/A-Closer-Look-At-Polkadot-Exhibit-2-640a3ed2e274fe78328bea57?share=8151220568037835154

https://www.spatial.io/s/What-is-polkadot-js-Exhibit-3-640a4a3ae274fe78328c0414?share=6082150356959152719

https://www.spatial.io/s/Bonding-and-Staking-Exhibit-4-640a51fbe274fe78328c15b4?share=2805138448048618131

https://www.spatial.io/s/The-Relay-Chain-Exhibit-5-640a54cbe274fe78328c1aa8?share=1982359488890684686

https://www.spatial.io/s/Parachains-and-Parathreads-Exhibit-6-640a57b0420342d550d1d028?share=985806365347805362

https://www.spatial.io/s/Crowdloans-and-Auctions-Exhibit-7-640a5acb3cab8dadf0190fdd?share=849930318430361310




Thank you Claudio and for posting our segment from AAG. I'm happy that the discussion changed your mind. I hope this post will encourage others to do the same. 

As we mentioned on the show, I realised that we needed to approach this differently from our previous three milestones. This is our first time with OpenGov. I didn't take into account the need to backup somewhat and clarify what it is that we're doing which is much more than the videos. 

We've compiled some resources since we began the process from day one that may help clarify the issues. 

[TRAILER](https://youtu.be/z0_x8gHA8Qg) 

[M1 & M2 Discussion/Feedback](https://kusama.polkassembly.io/post/1051) 

[M3 Discussion/Feedback](https://kusama.polkassembly.io/post/1466) 

TWITTER FEEDBACK

[Reference 1](https://twitter.com/CrypToMyLouWolf/status/1451220978969743361)

[Reference 2](https://twitter.com/boredknees/status/1451244848204369925)

[Reference 3](https://twitter.com/Cris_Pap8/status/1451255221599019010?s=20)

[Reference 4](https://twitter.com/Cris_Pap8/status/1487823365280829441)

[Reference 5](https://twitter.com/Undergraphics/status/1514295651097587713) 

[An Overview of The Experiences](https://polkaverse.com/5619/the-dot-sama-experience-is-ready-for-lift-off-24100)

We'll add more as we find them.

Ok I changed my vote to yes now after watching the live stream. Now you should have green light after my vote. Here you go Its green now. I really hope your team will deliver more then expected especially for kusama.

I've changed my vote to Aye after the guys discussed what they're doing and how they're working as well as the team behind, in The Kusamarian Livestream, called the AAG show which is awesome, you can find the discussion with the explanation from this timestamp [here](https://youtu.be/G0Cyfa8VpQw?t=1616)

This is why these kind of talks are important as they explain what is actually going on behind the scenes.

Good luck guys!



Thank you @[@cyborg](https://kusama.polkassembly.io/user/cyborg), that definitely means alot to us and we won't take it lightly.

Hey Dotsama experience,

Thank you for posting the proposal. 

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Hi DotSama,

you have my social media accounts listed in description [Proposal #67](https://kusama.polkassembly.io/post/2431). I am available so feel free to reach out.

Hey CoinStudio, I'd like to understand more about this and how it can be improved on. Would you mind if I sent you an email? 

Hey Team,

A few issues I have with this proposal:

1. Half of the budget is for the work done on the Polkadot Experience. A request for this funding should go to the Polkadot treasury. Not the Kusama treasury. 

2. This seems like a very expensive endeavour! There are obviously overlaps between the Kusama and Polkadot Experience so charging just double for each (already very expensive!) video seems to be a bit odd.

3. I don't actually like the videos. The audio is definitely irritating (high pitches) and so are the glitches in the video. It makes it hard to watch/focus. Might just be me though. Not sure how others feel? Definitely a "unique" style though.

4. Not enough of a proof of a ROI for the treasury was provided on the previous milestones.

For the above reasons I cannot support the current version of this proposal and will be voting nay on this.

Hey Gabriel, the suggestion of moving to Polakdot was brought up earlier and we explored the option but were advised that we would have to wait OpenGov to be enacted. This would pose a delay of three months which is not ideal for (I would hope) obvious reasons.

The reason why we decided to create a Kusama and Polkadot experience independently was because we had to take into account that someone wanting to learn about Polkadot may not want to do the same for Kusama. And vice versa. We felt integrating them would be confusing and counter productive. This was our direction before Parity began to draw a line between the networks, we feel that what we did was the right way to go. 

I understand your opinion of it being an expensive endeavour. 

It would be more so if we can't move on from here and we're left with an incomplete project. The time and money already spent would all go to waste. 

I'd like to reiterate that the rates put forward are the rates I'm given from every member of our team. 

In comparison to previous video production similar to what we're producing, we're below. You can reference that [here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gziWLp0nsueqEix9lvBREHkBD8SkgpbBuPaHn8cjpaQ/edit). 

We were able to lock in a favourable rate from the video production company because of the volume of what we're doing even as they introduced two price increases to their other clients in the last couple of years. 

We've received positive feedback about the videos but I'd like to hear more feedback if you're interested in an effort to improve the output. 

Finally with regards to ROI, I think our social media efforts have been positive, we're also working with Talisman and Nova at the moment to further quantify our reach moving forward with trackable results. It's tough to fully market a project in progress but we're doing our best to keep our exposure up while we further development. 




Big Reason for Nay is you are asking  very high budget for something might not be used as much. Also I agree on some points from KryptosChain. From my side  I like the videos to be honest It's very unique.  

Yep, the videos are awesome. The budget (likely influenced by team size) and thumbnails are the only things I have issues with.

While I like the idea of what was designed and I understand a lot of time goes into designing the necessary component and editing a video. I will vote Nay for this for the following reasons.

1. This content has been uploaded to a Youtube channel with not that many views / engagement (except for the very early videos) and very few subscribers.  This tells me there hasn't been much effort put into marketing this specific idea before.

2. The asking amount is very high, this can definitely be achieved with less capital by hiring designers.
Check out these stats on Upwork:

"Rates charged by graphic designers on Upwork vary from $15 to $150 an hour, with an average rate of around $25 per hour. However, designers don't always bill hourly; it's also common for a designer or creative director to set a fixed price for the work, based on their understanding of your project requirements."

3. The thumbnails are terrible (I'm not a designer but I know what works on Youtube) and I can guarantee you that you will struggle to get people to click on the actual video so they can learn about the Canary Network experience when the thumbnails look so simple. You have to find the fine line between click bait and reality and it has to be more attractive especially when we're talking about a VR experience!

Once again, this tells me there has been 0 effort from the creator to spend more time and creativity on the thumbnails.

I'd be happy to vote aye for this if you would re-consider the following:

1. Re-working out your budget (Do you really need 12 people for this? I don't think so)
Graphic Design charging $100 an hour and being incapable of creating a proper thumbnail? Are they joking?


2. Come up with a marketing plan to actually expose this experience to a wider audience. 

3. Improve all the thumbnails including the new videos with something more fancy showcasing a VR experience, AI, something more attractive for a user, see these thumbnails as good examples of colourful & attractive to click on for a similar niche: https://www.youtube.com/@Gamingwithmatteo311

Thanks and I hope you understand and so will the other voters before voting Aye for this.






Yes, $100/hr. That's me, and that's my discounted rate that I charge nonprofits and friends as a professional full-time freelance graphic designer. It's well below industry standard, and adjusted specifically to fall within discounted and acceptable range for this proposal. Good design is a trade that is honed over an entire career, and not just some garbage you choose to throw together for clickbait. I have no idea what thumbnails you're talking about, I was hired to create infographics for use in the metaverse. If thumbnails are a component of this, I haven't done them yet. 

So before you weigh in on the quality of my work or what my professional rate that I charge dozens of clients regularly without issue should be without context, why don't you tend to the $50,000 worth of romanian videos you have yet to deliver on the treasury's dime. 

Thanks for your feedback, much appreciated and would definitely like to take the time to address your concerns.

I'd like to start off by saying that we have a solid track record of delivering. high quality results. We had a minor setback on M2 but have since recovered nicely and ended up being ahead of schedule on M3.

I'll address your points one by one.

1. Our YouTube promotions have been working quite well for the videos that we have promoted. We definitely put alot of thought into as well as our other social media outlets, so much so that we need to conscious of how we spend and how much we spend of our budget. It's a slow roll to not only stretch our exposure but also because we don't have an unlimited amount of funds to work with.

2. We don't want to be anywhere near the clickbait line. We set out to create a branded and professional learning experience for Kusama and Polkadot. Big fluorescent fonts with silly expressions on Sophia's face pointing to a canary sitting on a dot didn't fit our brand. We felt it doesn't quite fit the museum/gallery motif.

3. This milestone brings us help from one of the best designers in our ecosystem. Aside from redesigning our exhibit displays, we have also asked him to take a look at out YouTube thumbnails as well. And his rate of $100/hr falls well below your max suggestion of $150/hr. I would hope that anyone in their sound mind wouldn't hire a designer at $15/hr and expect high quality.

The next 1. We definitely need the people we have working on this to be working on this. Each of us brings an important role and different skillset to our team and output. I mean, maybe we could overlap some roles but I'm not sure how someone skilled in research/copywriting would be in executing our designs in VR. It would be kind of like hiring a an electrician to take care of a leaky kitchen faucet before it floods the place. In actual fact, we run pretty lean. This is an ambitious project and the fact that we're pulling it off with the amount of personnel that we currently have is quite impressive. What I won't stand for is your tone and message delivery and how you ended your paragraph. I think it's quite insulting and degrading. There's a difference between positive feedback and outright insults. There's no fine there.

The next 2. We're happy with where our marketing efforts have taken us so far and it is a WIP and always will be. My background is in marketing and branding, has been since 2001 and were very versatile to adapt and change directions on a whim. We also have to be conscious of the fact that this is not a completed project as of yet. But again so far, if you have a look at our metrics, we feel that what we've been doing has been working in terms of exposure and we're constantly tweaking our available algorithms.

The next 3. Something more fancy. Got it. Will be sure have that conversation with our designer. That will be easy to express to him and if you don't mind, maybe we can run some concepts by you first considering you obviously know what works and what doesn't on YouTube?

Big fan of your videos, you were one of the first personalities in the space that I came across, how's your milestone coming?

*please excuse any spelling errors, I'm currently away from home and typed this on my mobile. 

Hi both, thanks for your responses.

For @Zooeys - I have to say I'm not happy with the unprofessional response you gave me. You could have just said you weren't responsible for the thumbnail creation and it would have been understandable. Don't get me wrong, I love the actual video content with the exception of the small glitch created on purpose which maybe wants to make it seem like it's from a robot which actually hurts my eyes and probably other viewers too. Hopefully you can avoid using that in future videos should this proposal pass.

This proposal chat is not about judging my personal proposal. Don't you worry about that, I will deliver the full milestones. I don't think you have checked the current state to see what was delivered already in those Google Docs but you rushed to attack me, but that's ok, I understand your frustration.

For @The Dosama Experience - I don't know who you have hired to create the actual thumbnails for these videos: https://www.youtube.com/@ThePolkadotNetworkExperience/videos

But they are really unprofessional! Honestly, you could even chat to Eve (see her Twitter here: https://twitter.com/breitstudio) who does the thumbnails for Dotcast (an existing Spanish Podcast for Polkadot & Kusama) as they are professional and she deserves every cent for those! 

See the channel here for examples of those thumbnails which are not clickbait as Zoeeys claims. It's what actually should be used on Youtube if you want people to click on your content which would then get recommended to more people etc..  https://www.youtube.com/@Dotcast/videos

I like what you did on TikTok so kudos to that!





I think we have it correct this time, apologies for the invconvenience.


Hi, I'm Sophia, VR curator for The Canary Network X Polkadot Network Experience. And this, is M4.

Firstly, I wanted to thank our team, (aemonk, Mcbeaster and, Yung Beef 4.2) for successfully completing M3 one month ahead of schedule. Everyone involved kept on top of our project and continued to show their commitment in bring this closer to the finish.

We're now ready to move onto our next phase which can be read [here](https://www.canarynetwork.eco/ms4) along with a review of our most recent experience.

Thank you for your consideration and looking forward to receiving feedback.

Propose and approve a spend of treasury funds.

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- `amount`: The amount to be transferred from the treasury to the `beneficiary`.
- `beneficiary`: The destination account for the transfer.

NOTE: For record-keeping purposes, the proposer is deemed to be equivalent to the
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#115 3rd time's a charm - Milestone 4 - Canary Network X Polkadot Network Experience - RE-RE-SUBMISSION