there is 3 month retroactive full time ask here. can the git log be be inspected somewhere?

please have a look at the following MVP video with explanations to the proposal.

20 min MVP walkthrough

Looking forward to your comments.

Thank you for your support.

@ZukuNFT Please 1st get a verified address or it’s an automatic NAY.

Please provide any of the extra mandatory info if missing:

• Expected Deliverables
• Proposal’s Duration
• Direct Point of Contact

I see it’s a direct answer from this right ? https://x.com/shawntabrizi/status/1818735404096590326?s=61

Summary of initial decision:

• "retroactive" funding for past 3 months

  • NAY for "retroactive" funding for the past 3 months. Instead consider updating the proposal with a lesser amount with evidence of hours or asking for a tip and only for the "retroactive" period, and after taking the below feedback into account. Note that for example, even in the JAM implementers prize rules they require code to be open-source to get funded and they require "A clear Git history and public, credibly timestamped commits are necessary in order to help evidence organic code development by the team/s"

• future funding

  • NAY, please submit a new proposal or update this proposal, and please organise the proposal better using a template (use templates from https://www.opengov.watch/guides and have a look at previous proposal for best practice so not to unnecessarily cause stakeholders to have to spend more time than is necessary), and include detailed designs by someone suitably qualified and experienced in UX design. Only milestone-based payments should be considered after review/close-out of issues and approval from key stakeholders in the Kusama community (UX, product, developers, end-users), see feedback below.

Feedback in detail

• Positives

  • Public good
    • Only "future" promise of open-source MIT license
  • Motivation
    • High commendation for maintaining the motivation to try to improve OpenGov
  • Community feedback
    • Idea and discussions of known problems and solutions since February 2024 in https://polkadot.polkassembly.io/post/2141 is great, as is the pitch deck https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zi_3kfVZLualKHq-RjI0kbo5NERWBXTU
    • Reaching out to Polkadot Office Hours where Bill Laboon said he agreed with the idea behind the proposal and said he thought it would be great if we had something like this, and if you want to build that tool he thought it'd be interesting to see
  • On-chain accounts - Evidence of prior discussions using Dieter Stölzel on-chain account

• Negatives

  • Public good
    • Not open-source
  • Transparency
    • No history of Git commits or by who
    • No evidence of who the "friends and freelancers" are that helped build the application with you since May 2024
      • No evidence of whether they agreed to do it voluntarily or for a fee and where an established agreement and hourly rate was established with them and that you promised to pay them by a certain date, or whether they were in on the plan to ask for retroactive funding after a few months work instead of creating a transparent proposal requesting the funds from OpenGov "upfront"
      • No evidence of any agreement or guarantee that you intend to actually pay those freelancers if there was an expectation of payment
    • No timesheet with work breakdown from various contributors
  • Community feedback
    • No evidence of a stakeholder issues register where you show how you have incorporated feedback from the community into your MVP
    • Limited team skills and experience information. No CVs included in proposal except Dieter Stölzel reveals Telegram @OZukunft. A search the internet for Dieter Stölzel says based out of Berlin, Germany and they work at Oracle as Cloud Architect & Startup Mentor https://wiza.co/d/oracle/a189/dieter-stoelzel and that information was last updated 24 March 2024.
    • Not appearing to take all community feedback onboard. From the few votes that you achieved in this discussion post https://polkadot.polkassembly.io/post/2141, this comment from Felix back in March 2024 https://polkadot.polkassembly.io/post/2141#Xd0loQEsSFJIFejp7gFA that said "For your tool, i think an integration to already exisiting platoforms would actually be more powerful instead of creating a new platform." does not appear to have been taken onboard and it appears you created a new platform anyway?
      • A few months later, only a few days ago, this Polkadot Fellow also highlighted the same thing "In my opinion we don’t need ANOTHER governance UI. We need features to be added to existing ones" https://forum.polkadot.network/t/decentralized-futures-opengov-argumentree-improve-decision-quality/8291/6?u=ltfschoen
  • Budget (Retroactive) -
    • No significant evidence of prior approval from the community to proceed
    • No agreement to an hourly rate for this future "retroactive" funding request was established "upfront"
    • Inadequate evidence of cold calls and market research surveys to the community of user groups and treasury stakeholders. Whilst only three votes to this poll https://polkadot.polkassembly.io/post/2141
    • No timesheets at all to scrutinise prior to work progressing through milestones each week or month, no budget or hourly rate that was agreed "upfront" for the work
    • Request for $24k USD for 3 months prior work appears too significant. Only detailed click-through wireframes and frontend with mock backend data would have been necessary for the MVP.
    • Assuming that Dieter Stölzel works full-time at Oracle and worked on this MVP outside working hours working 1-hrs per weekday and 16-hrs per weekend (total 26-hrs per week) on this initiative for at $50 USD per hour then that would equate to ~$12.6k USD.
    • In contrast, another fellow full-stack developer in the Polkadot ecosystem was challenged and mocked for doing some Polkassembly prototyping work that was within an established budget that was based on an agreed hourly rate that was modest and that had been established with Polkadot OpenGov "upfront" https://x.com/0xTaylor_/status/1816552157111517440 and then a Polkadot Fellow pressured them to return the income that they had rightfully earnt from helping a bounty team program bootstrap itself to the Polkadot Treasury https://x.com/shawntabrizi/status/1816531864066359314
    • Concern as to whether your "retroactive" funding includes hours you spent on Polkadot Office Hours or not here from 7m-14m https://x.com/billlaboon/status/1771174687629840670, given the public mockery that the this marketing bounty team was subjected to by this inappropriate post https://x.com/0xTaylor_/status/1816552157111517440, even though investigating Polkassembly and watching AAG in that instance turned out to be justified and necessary.
  • Budget (Future) -
    • In your attached complete proposal it says "Its planned that some features will be released as early beta test versions. Latest date of delivery is estimated to be on the 15.11.2024. The goal is that the community will be able to use Argumentree to decide if the development should continue after the 1.12 or not."
      • How are you going to adequately market and advertise the "early beta test versions" of Argumentree product (that the proposal expects will cost $58k USD to create) to the community to get user adoption and participation and is that part of your budget? What are your detailed success criteria? What marketing experts in the ecosystem have you reached out to?
      • Have you established a risk register with a list of possible reasons why the community could suddenly decide not to continue development of Argumentree after 1st Dec 2024 with a list of ways you intend to try to mitigate that occurring (perhaps by releasing early alpha releases too)?
    • New proposal requested that includes preparation of detailed wireframes by a suitably qualified and experienced UX designer of how it will integrate into at least one existing governance tool in the ecosystem
    • Funding should only be released based on milestones and after review and validation from product management, development, UX experts, and end users in the Kusama community
  • Integration
    • Whilst there is evidence here https://forum.polkadot.network/t/decentralized-futures-opengov-argumentree-improve-decision-quality/8291/7?u=ltfschoen that you attempted to contact Polkassembly to integrate with them and they didn't respond, I do not believe you exhausted all avenues. Did you try just emailing them?
      • Note that I personnally emailed them myself at hello@polkassembly.io earlier in the year on 15 Feb 2024 and received a response from them on the same day
    • Reflecting upon this comment by a Polkadot Fellow, it is true that "PolkAssembly and SubSquare are both open source projects" and that "You don’t really need anyone’s permission to start scaffolding ideas on top of these projects", although I would warn you to first have a detailed timesheet, and to reach out to all key OpenGov stakeholders for help scrutinising it to achieve consensus that the tasks are necessary and are justified billable costs that they would approve before you accept payment, if you wish to avoid being publicly challenged, mocked and pressured to return the payment later.
    • In contrast, another fellow full-stack developer in the Polkadot ecosystem was challenged and mocked for doing some Polkassembly prototyping work that was within an established budget that was based on an agreed hourly rate that was modest and that had been established with Polkadot OpenGov "upfront" https://x.com/0xTaylor_/status/1816552157111517440 and then a Polkadot Fellow pressured them to return the income that they had rightfully earnt from helping a bounty team program bootstrap itself to the Polkadot Treasury https://x.com/shawntabrizi/status/1816531864066359314
  • Inadequately identity
    • In the "MVP Video" at 0.45 it says "we don't know the reasons for the majority of votes". Yet it is widely known that proposals are NAYed if they are from accounts that don't have an on-chain identity or haven't requested judgement of it. There is no evidence that the on-chain account of proposer Dieter Stölzel nor the beneficiary Argumentree have attempted to establish an on-chain identity. * Note that recently on-chain identities https://guide.kusama.network/docs/learn-identity were migrated to the People Chain and there have been some issues in having that recognised on Polkassembly https://forum.polkadot.network/t/people-chain-launch-and-identity-migration-plan/5930/32?u=ltfschoen that even I have experienced myself, and I know it is frustrating

Thank you for your feedback.

I have to admit that this proposal was rushed and not well prepared, and I apologize for that, as mentioned I thought I need to act quick somehow…

I was trying to get attention for a long time, this is not how I wanted it but that’s the way it is...

Let me briefly explain:

• The integration into existing platforms was planned from the beginning, as shown in my early slides from February. Imagine you are not a Full Stack developer and want to learn it, would you start with the github of the existing platforms, or start with a simple homepage. I have decided, only for simplicity reasons, to have an own navigation and a header, which can be easily replaced/deleted or whatever you like.
• I want this to be open source, I want everyone to benefit from this. Its just that this is my first Full Stack MVP application, and it benefits all of us if someone experienced would check it first. I hope that makes sense…
• You googled my name correctly, since this year I’m a freelancer.

To progress from here,

I will be at the Web3 Summit in Berlin 19-21 August, and I’m happy to talk to and work with everyone interested incl. key stakeholders in the community, to include their feedback and create a new proposal, which makes the community happy.

Looking forward to meet you!

Please let me know if the community has any other suggestions or ideas?

Thank you!

I’m really in between. I think we need that tool, so I’m AYEing. But at the same time the proposal would need to be improved, so I’m NAYing.

I also think using the UX Guild is a good option for advices.

interesting idea and MVP. However, I feel the proposal could be improved significantly. I recommend that you first apply for a Web3 Foundation grant with your current work and plan. If accepted, you could then request funding from the treasury for the work done in your MVP(w3fgrants does not pay retroactively).

I’m voting AYE for the idea. I’d like to see a resubmission with improvements.

Thank you very much for your comments and suggestions, i have included them in the MVP. Please have a look at the following video.

12:30 min, MVP Kusama Proposal 433 Review Video

For interested developers, please contact me on Telegram @OZukunft

Thank you.