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#362 Funding Brale integration into Kusama Asset Hub to introduce branded stablecoins (v3)

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Fvrb...FVGn
 
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21st Mar '24
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GqC3...m8Jj
 
 
21st Mar '24
Voted Nay

Did you seriously just copy pasta the same proposal that got rejected before? I'm not going to waste my time reiterating my points from last time.

This is getting absolutely ridiculous.

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Fvrb...FVGn
 
 
22nd Mar '24

@Adam_Clay_Steeber 

Gm Adam, thanks for your thoughtful response.

Did you seriously just copy pasta the same proposal that got rejected before? I'm not going to waste my time reiterating my points from last time.

No, it's a completely new version, version 3.

As a newly minted Decentralized Voices delegate we're assuming you took your responsibility seriously and took the time to click the link to review the proposal before commenting.

If for some reason you didn't, here are the changes:

This is now just a simple integration with Brale, enabling the issuance and management of branded stablecoins on Asset Hub - what you might call a new 'common good feature' in the ecosystem.

  • Focus on Brale integration to reduce complexity - leading to...

  • Removal of Glo Dollar and therefore,

  • No market making

  • No marketing

  • 50% reduction in spending.

  • To aid understanding, we've also changed the format of the proposal, there is now a series of slides, rather than just a wall of text.

  • The calls to cancel the second scheduled payments are included in the proposal.

  • Lots of other tweaks to the copy.

It might be useful for you to check your previous comments against version 3.

Please note you can track all the changes across the three versions using this useful button.

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Here's some Iggy Pop, have a great day!

DakP...tZbN
 
 
23rd Mar '24
(Edited)

A new USD yield-bearing stablecoin that works across

1 - AssetHub for Polkadot

2 - AssetHub for Kusama

AND

3 - N other EVM chains

is a extremely good idea. With USDT exiting Kusama and USDC integration being basically non existent on Kusama, this creates a strong path for Brale stablecoin. 2 is just a testing place, like the rest of Kusama, whereas 1+3 is where 99.9% of users can come from.

I have basic due diligence on Brale (the dominant beneficiary of this proposal) and can confirm the $125K quote is precise, but I think it should cover ALL of 1+2+3. I think Rich simplified this proposal correctly and if we can get 1+3 along with 2 its extremely valuable for this to pass. That fact that it is Rich of Decent Partners doing it hardly matters, all the work is just being done by Brale.

The $125K cost is not so much a real estimate of cost but just an indication of seriousness, a common tactic for any business to build and maintain something for a long time. It might take less than a week of actual engineering time but maintaining it forever securely is entirely other matter -- the integration work is noise relative to everything else. Brale is a VC-backed business with the goal of competing with Circle in its own way, sharing back yield. They couldn't care less about earning $125K, but they don't want to waste time on projects that aren't serious.

If the community isn't serious about being part of the larger ecosystem from day 1 (like Circle's USDC and Tether's USDT) and isn't requiring 1+3, and focusses on the cost of $125K [or 10% commission], it indicates to them the level of sophistication of the community decision makers. There are a couple of really high quality projects funded by Kusama, but the idea that Kusama is a hotbed of sophisticated innovation is just not true.

I understand the Kusama community is not crazy about Rich+Decent Partners, but Rich is crazy about Kusama. However, this proposal is all about Brale + the stablecoin. If ever there is a case where an idea should be "tested on Kusama first", this is it. Since Rich is leading this proposal, I think its essential to guide it in a "consortium" direction with as many networks as possible from day 1.

JFAr...nYVt
 
 
26th Mar '24

Why is this on the Treasurer track instead of Big Spender?

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Fvrb...FVGn
 
 
26th Mar '24

@BILL 

Hey Bill, thanks for the question.

As outlined in the proposal, we're using the treasurer track so we can utilise the scheduler pallet to program what we're calling Optimistic Grants.

We believe this payment structure is better for both;

  • proposers: are assured a second payment should they deliver and can therefore not need to risk returning for a second payout alongside all the time/effort/challenges.

  • voters: avoid the extra bureaucracy/centralisation of bounties but gain the benefits of oversight via a call to cancel the balance should a team fail to report progress and complete work within a bounded timeline.

Given W3F have delegated to DV accounts outside of the treasurer track, this has posed something of a quandary, given we dont believe up front paymet of all funds nor bounties are optimal for this kind of spend.

The scheduler pallet can't be used on the Spender tracks - we're not sure why this decision was made.

Hopefully that helps - Interested to hear your thoughts.

JFAr...nYVt
 
 
27th Mar '24

@DECENT PARTNERS 

I didn't realize scheduler can't be used on the Spender/Tipper tracks. This makes sense, then. Thanks for explaining.

Dm4u...1Xkk
 
 
26th Mar '24

I think it can be good initiative / experiment , if it will be explained and supported by the Kusama community. Is there any public discussions on Polkadot forum, twitter, elements? I want to study more. Before the implementation it will be great to present this idea to community and get the support . Abstain for now.

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Fvrb...FVGn
 
 
28th Mar '24

@PromoTeam Validator 

Thanks for the comment.

Yes there have been many discussions - and a number of appearances on AAG by both the Brale team and Glo Dollar (an example of a branded stablecoin).

For the purpose of simplicity, they were removed from this proposal which is now focused purely on the integration.

See: https://x.com/TheKusamarian/status/1734276957565575198?s=20

There are a number of immediate opportunities such as:

  • Kusama (and Polkadot) stablecoin where all treasury spends are denominated in a trusted USD, that ensures value stays witin the ecosystem, rather than moving to a private company such as tether or circle.

  • Gaming ecosystems - imagine MythosUSD

  • Sports - imagine InterMiamiUSD

We have a number of projects / partnerships in this kind of space given our backgrounds working with top clubs, influencers, broadcasters and brands.

Rather than focus on the specifics, the integration is what matters initially since this allows the collective to have a say in the projects launching.

FDL9...finf
 
 
30th Mar '24

Having a non-algo stablecoin is a heavily bureaucratical business assuming tight work with government and financial institution and success on this field is an ultimately must have prerequisite to go live.

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Fvrb...FVGn
 
 
2nd Apr '24

@SPACE_INVADER 

Hi there - thanks for the comment.

You can see from the proposal that Brale fulfil these criteria - is this what you meant?


Brale enables the creation of branded stablecoins from partner organisations sharing revenues on yield.

Braleโ€™s leadership team has developed regulated financial products for over a decade.

At Dwolla 2, we helped invent Banking-as-a-Service (BaaS), facilitating tens of billions per year in transaction volume for more than 10 million end users.

Our partners built the BSA/AML programs banks and FinTechs rely on to operate their businesses.

As a registered Money Services Business (See NMLS ID 2 2376957) and a licensed money transmitter in the US, Brale is licensed to offer stablecoin issuance, redemption, exchange, and custody services.

As of December 2023, Brale has acquired Money Transmitter Licenses or exemptions to offer regulated services in the following 36 U.S. states:

*Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming.*

Stablecoins are fully backed by cash, cash equivalents, and U.S. treasuries, subject to daily reporting and monthly attestations performed by an independent accounting firm according to standards set by the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants (AICPA).

Reserves are held in a number of U.S. regulated financial institutions that have FDIC insurance, ensuring that the funds remain available for disbursements irrespective of the health of the underlying banking institutions.


Eatp...a332
 
 
3rd Apr '24

Hey Space Invader.

Please see detail in the proposal re: Brale.

Brale enables the creation of branded stablecoins from partner organisations sharing revenues on yield.

Braleโ€™s leadership team has developed regulated financial products for over a decade.

At Dwolla, we helped invent Banking-as-a-Service (BaaS), facilitating tens of billions per year in transaction volume for more than 10 million end users.

Our partners built the BSA/AML programs banks and FinTechs rely on to operate their businesses.

As a registered Money Services Business (See NMLS ID 2 2376957) and a licensed money transmitter in the US, Brale is licensed to offer stablecoin issuance, redemption, exchange, and custody services.

As of December 2023, Brale has acquired Money Transmitter Licenses or exemptions to offer regulated services in the following 36 U.S. states:

  • Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming.*

Stablecoins are fully backed by cash, cash equivalents, and U.S. treasuries, subject to daily reporting and monthly attestations performed by an independent accounting firm according to standards set by the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants (AICPA).

Reserves are held in a number of U.S. regulated financial institutions that have FDIC insurance, ensuring that the funds remain available for disbursements irrespective of the health of the underlying banking institutions.

EyXc...t3Xm
 
 
2nd Apr '24

Voted Aye

We support multiple aspects of this proposal:

  1. The goal is something we'd like to see happening: having Glo Dollar on Kusama would be great and we see potential synergies with Encointer Faucets.
  2. Transparency: With the new proposal, the shares of Decent Partners and Brale are transparent onchain and seem reasonable.
  3. Staged: This proposal tries something interesting: staged default payout which can be cancelled by opengov of delivieries are not met. This could be a good option for other proposals moving forward
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Fvrb...FVGn
 
 
2nd Apr '24

@encointer 

Thanks Encointer team.

To be clear, V3 simplified the proposal to just the Brale integration and removed Glo Dollar which could be added later with a separate proposal focused on their unique offering.

This is more a common good integation that then opens up the possibility for branded stablecoins to be created.


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Members of the Fellowship Collective involved in projects flagged by the OG tracker should provide a proper explanation, return the funds to the Treasury, or face expulsion.

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