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Referendum#319

Reimbursement proposal after a seed phrase has been lost"

inSmall Spender
2 years ago
Rejected

My name is Rafael, I  was new to crypto and lost my wallet seed phrase.

 TLDR:

- I was new to crypto and lost my seed phrase.

- 257 kusamas will be staked forever in the "Kusama Brazil Pool and in the native stake."

- I have provided proofs below that this wallet was mine.

- I'm seeking help and understanding from the community; this proposal to the treasury will reimburse me with the same amount that I lost forever.

-I provide a series of documents with links related to transactions and activities in my wallets, highlighting transfers of Kusamas between the Binance exchange, my Ledger hardware wallet (G62xoBWMxZJsMXVUpjNFp4hdDZSza56ku9MhmxJTe8WRzbF), the Polkadot.js wallet (EVLbNe7gU3wHJ4jL8n5qQ1dvjrQxPGkq5WUriwoWiGAoERt), and my participation in the Kusama Brasil Pool and native staking.

-To prove ownership of the G62xoBWMxZJsMXVUpjNFp4hdDZSza56ku9MhmxJTe8WRzbF wallet, I offer to send a small amount to any address. I suggest the proposal of receiving from the treasury, in my hardware wallet, the amount of Kusamas that are "locked" in the EVLbNe7gU3wHJ4jL8n5qQ1dvjrQxPGkq5WUriwoWiGAoERt wallet, leaving the decision to either revert these coins to the treasury or burn them in the hands of the governance, without compromising its reputation

These are the transfers

1-   Two transfers on 2023-08-04 of KUSAMA from my account on the BINANCE exchange, identified with my first name in the upper left corner, to the address of my LEDGER G62xoBWMxZJsMXVUpjNFp4hdDZSza56ku9MhmxJTe8WRzbF. The amounts were 14.936037KSM and 1.99 KSM, as indicated on page 1.

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2-   Two transfers from my LEDGER to the wallet EVLbNe7gU3wHJ4jL8n5qQ1dvjrQxPGkq5WUriwoWiGAoERt, followed by staking.

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3- Wallet EVLbNe7gU3wHJ4jL8n5qQ1dvjrQxPGkq5WUriwoWiGAoERt on Polkadot.js, where I performed unbonding to send the funds to my ledger wallet.

Link:  https://kusama.subscan.io/account/EVLbNe7gU3wHJ4jL8n5qQ1dvjrQxPGkq5WUriwoWiGAoERt?tab=unbonding

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4- Wallet EVLbNe7gU3wHJ4jL8n5qQ1dvjrQxPGkq5WUriwoWiGAoERt on Polkadot.js, where I performed unbonding.

Link: https://kusama.subscan.io/account/EVLbNe7gU3wHJ4jL8n5qQ1dvjrQxPGkq5WUriwoWiGAoERt?tab=extrinsic

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5- Ledger Wallet G62xoBWMxZJsMXVUpjNFp4hdDZSza56ku9MhmxJTe8WRzbF extract showing recent entry into the Kusama Brasil Pool.

Link: https://kusama.subscan.io/account/G62xoBWMxZJsMXVUpjNFp4hdDZSza56ku9MhmxJTe8WRzbF?tab=extrinsic

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6- Ledger Wallet G62xoBWMxZJsMXVUpjNFp4hdDZSza56ku9MhmxJTe8WRzbF extract showing my participation in the Kusama Brasil Pool.

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7- Polkadot.js Wallet EVLbNe7gU3wHJ4jL8n5qQ1dvjrQxPGkq5WUriwoWiGAoERt extract showing my participation in the Kusama Brasil Pool.

Link: https://kusama.subscan.io/nomination_pool/member?poolId=87

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8 and 9- Extract from the explorer showing the transactions mentioned in item 1, indicating that the funds left my BINANCE account and were sent to my hardware wallet.

Link: https://kusama.subscan.io/extrinsic/19092720-2

Link: https://kusama.subscan.io/extrinsic/19092759-4

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10- Transaction statement extracted from the Talismã wallet:

10.a- Transfer from my Binance account to my Ledger wallet G62xoBWMxZJsMXVUpjNFp4hdDZSza56ku9MhmxJTe8WRzbF.

10.b- Transfer from Ledger wallet G62xoBWMxZJsMXVUpjNFp4hdDZSza56ku9MhmxJTe8WRzbF to my EVLbNe7gU3wHJ4jL8n5qQ1dvjrQxPGkq5WUriwoWiGAoERt wallet, where there is staking through the Kusama Brasil Pool and native staking.

10.c- Same situation as the previous item (10.b).

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Comments (2)

2 years ago

*To prove ownership of the G62xoBWMxZJsMXVUpjNFp4hdDZSza56ku9MhmxJTe8WRzbF wallet, I offer to send a small amount to any address.* Note that this is not necessary. You could either cryptographically sign a message stating "This account belongs to the proposer of Referendum 319" or similar ( https://polkadot.js.org/apps/#/signing ) or issue a system.remarkWithEvent ( https://polkadot.js.org/apps/#/extrinsics ) with similar text from that account, then put a link here to the remark extrinsic on Subscan.

2 years ago

Hello Rafael!

Sorry to hear your alleged predicament, this would be devastating for anyone.

The documentation provides you with two options, Can you please try/comment on these first?:

  1. https://guide.kusama.network/docs/kusama-social-recovery/, or
  2. alternatively, using root origin to recover the account...

On the other hand, please understand that:

  • it will be extremely difficult to ask the whole community to perform due diligence on you and on your request before supporting you in this "recovery".
  • Unfortunately, none of your statements can be taken as proof that you actually owned the account with public address EVLbNe7gU3wHJ4jL8n5qQ1dvjrQxPGkq5WUriwoWiGAoERt (I do not know how this could be proven)
  • There is no way for the public to confirm that access to EVLbNe7gU3wHJ4jL8n5qQ1dvjrQxPGkq5WUriwoWiGAoERt is in fact, lost forever (I do not know how this could be proven).

For the time being, we will be voting against this ref as a way to avoid setting a precedent that may affect the security of other KSM holders out there.

Thanks

Milos

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